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I hate it too because...

a) There were lots of other conservative and self-proclaimed voices in here, but they got themselves banned, mainly for trolling and racism. That is on them. Progressive people don't have to compromise their views just because other people could not follow the rules of NT

b) Ignores a large number of discussions in here where people disagree

c) It is just pleading for a safe space for contrarianism
This reminds me of like a conversation I’d have with someone in a basketball thread.

Poster: Kyrie is more skilled than Steph Curry

Me: While Kyrie is historically a skilled guard, Steph Curry is better than him at all these skills. Here is why (lists facts). Few people agree with me.

Poster: Nope, Kyrie has better handles and is a better finisher!

Me: While Kyrie has more creative handles, Steph isn’t that far off. And according to the numbers, Steph finishes at slightly better rate with a similar volume. and his shooting, finishing, movement without the ball and passing ability makes him a more skilled.

Poster: Man, y’all just Steph d-riders man. Y’all ganging up on me! Can’t say nothing bad about Steph! Imma just leave!

Me: 🤷🏾‍♂️
 

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This reminds me of like a conversation I’d have with someone in a basketball thread.

Poster: Kyrie is more skilled than Steph Curry

Me: While Kyrie is historically a skilled guard, Steph Curry is better than him at all these skills. Here is why (lists facts). Few people agree with me.

Poster: Nope, Kyrie has better handles and is a better finisher!

Me: While Kyrie has more creative handles, Steph isn’t that far off. And according to the numbers, Steph finishes at slightly better rate with a similar volume. and his shooting, finishing, movement without the ball and passing ability makes him a more skilled.

Poster: Man, y’all just Steph d-riders man. Y’all ganging up on me! Can’t say nothing bad about Steph! Imma just leave!

Me: 🤷🏾‍♂️
:lol: I think I remember that exchange

And I see the parallels

To be honest, I think the way some dudes downplay and low key hate on Steph in the NBA thread is wild

Most agree with your takes on him

I think Steph is closer to being in the convos as being one of the best to ever do it as opposed to being compared to the likes of Dame and Kyrie. Dudes act like Steph is just a really good PG, comparable to other really good PGs, and that is clearly not true, he is clearly a level above that.

But as a Lakers fan I will never type those words in the NBA thread, and if you ever bring up I said this I'm denying it and reporting you.
 
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People see “Tax the Rich” and lose the nuance in a lot things that are being proposed. There is a gigantic gap between common celebrity rich and the extreme wealth hoarding from the ppl at the top.

For example, the 10th richest person’s net worth is still 217x that of Justin Bieber’s estimated net worth. Literally just raising taxes on like 500 people would have a significant impact but instead people cape for them because somehow they think one day they’re going to be Bill Gates wealthy when the chance of them even making a million in a year is slim to none.
Look how riled up the poor gets whenever messaging revolving around taxing the rich pop up. Rich folks stay winning without having to lift a finger.
Part of the problem is that people can't conceptualize the massive gap between millions and billions so when they hear "rich" they lump them together, as if they're equally achievable, but they're not remotely the same at all. A single person being worth anything remotely close to $200B is an act of violence against everyone else.
 
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:lol: I think I remember that exchange

And I see the parallels

To be honest, I think the way some dudes downplay and low key hate on Steph in the NBA thread is wild

Most agree with your takes on him

I think Steph is closer to being in the convos as being one of the best to ever do it as opposed to being compared to the likes of Dame and Kyrie. Dudes act like Steph is just a really good PG, comparable to other really good PGs, and that is clearly not true, he is clearly a level above that.

But as a Lakers fan I will never type those words in the NBA thread, and if you ever bring up I said this I'm denying it and reporting you.
Don't worry wavycrocket wavycrocket I got the screenshot for if I ever see Rusty liking some Steph slander
 

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It going to take me a while to read this because I'll get too mad to continue every few paragraphs.

I will say that the Texas Democratic Party is about as week as it gets, and outreach into these communities has been lazy at best.

But I won't lie, there's definitely some pendejo thinking at the core of this as well.
 

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This is nothing more than brain damage rearing it’s head. To think you are white…… woooweeee where do you even start?
I know, right? What are those Slavs, Mediterraneans, Irish, Scandinavians, and Germans even thinking?

American Whiteness has always chosen to expand its membership when it’s superiority is threatened by numbers. There is a historical opportunity to reverse that trend, but only if we address it.
 
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Have a hard time believing Texas ever turning blue and so I can't let myself go down the Florida rabbit hole with this state too. As we all can see when the white population fades some Ted Cruz' will just replace them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Those states turn blue if Covid stays in the red 🤷🏽‍♂️. Crazy to think
 
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I know, right? What are those Slavs, Mediterraneans, Irish, Scandinavians, and Germans even thinking?

American Whiteness has always chosen to expand its membership when it’s superiority is threatened by numbers. There is a historical opportunity to reverse that trend, but only if we address it.
Bingo. We also need to stop grouping all “Latinos” together. They’re from different countries, have different levels of education, different socioeconomic classes etc. Texas “Latinos” are different from Florida Latinos, who are different from Georgia Latinos. There’s no one size fits all approach.
 

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Yeah, it's the Puerto Rican from New York's fault that these "white" Texicans voted Republican. :lol:

**** 'em.
The whole paragraph is magic...

Cuellar told me he doesn’t believe the 2020 election results in South Texas marked a permanent “political realignment.” But he does think Democrats need to improve their outreach and messaging in the region. Many voters there see New York representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, both avowed democratic socialists, as the loudest voices among Democrats and are turned off to the whole party. Cuellar observed that even though Biden and many other Democrats rejected the calls to “defund the police” embraced by a few nationally prominent members of the party’s left wing, those messages seriously injured the party’s image in South Texas. There is some data to support this. Shor, the pollster, believes “defund the police” messaging cost Democrats more votes among conservative and moderate Hispanic voters than any other single issue. Hispanic voters with more conservative views on crime and policing, his polling finds, shifted more toward Republicans this year than Hispanic voters at large.
Didn't matter what Biden, the people running in the district, or an overwhelming majority of the party said, the views of a couple of people matter more.

Yep, these folk white. Same nonsense
 
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Bingo. We also need to stop grouping all “Latinos” together. They’re from different countries, have different levels of education, different socioeconomic classes etc. Texas “Latinos” are different from Florida Latinos, who are different from Georgia Latinos. There’s no one size fits all approach.
Man, even in media/movies….you see people group them together. Like you’ll see a movie set in the East Coast or South with a Latino (who may not even be Mexican)….talking like an Esse from LA, “holmes” :smh: :lol:
 

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This is history in America:

Italians, Poles, Irish etc being finally accepted as “white” In the 60s, and voting with their oppressors to opress others who don’t have the complexion for assimilation.
The last paragraph's really exposed how deeply people are buying into whiteness...

A few months before, at his house in Rio Grande City, Barrera had explained to me why many in the Valley didn’t find Trump’s agitating at the border, or his statements calling Mexicans rapists and criminals, personally insulting. Barrera launched into a diatribe distinguishing himself from those who cross the border illegally; while he has compassion for people fleeing harsh circumstances, he said, some in South Texas call border crossers “mojaditos”—the Spanish word for “*******” (albeit in its less harsh, diminutive form).

I pressed him: Would non-Hispanic white Texans as easily draw the distinction between him and recent immigrants? Barrera doubled down. “I think when people say they don’t like Mexicans, it means a Mexican citizen, a Mexican national, someone who crossed illegally,” he said. “So, when someone says they don’t like Mexicans, I don’t think it means me or you.”
Mans has faith that other white people view him as one of them, and not similar to people crossing the border.

Welp, good luck with that. Because dudes like Stephen Miller definitely seem them as the same
 
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