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One of Dubya's guys

What do the Bulls get with Harold Miner that they don’t also get with Jordan? The “bench-warmer” label — that’s about it. Their dunks are very much the same, and his focus on winning championships rather than dreaming about it may play better in middle America.

translation: with Elizabeth we get actual plans to make her promises work. with Bernie we just get emotional appeals to disgruntled anti-Hillary types.
 
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Good post, Rex.

Another issue is the erosion of trust in experts and professionals.

I think it's also due to inequality and privilege. Why would Nancy Trust Fund listen to Apu Singh, a genius born to poor immigrants who dedicated his life to studying and understanding medicine, when she could just call it b.s. and instead turn to White boy Hack on Fox News who will explain to her that Apu is wrong and scientists (many of whom are not white males) are part of some giant conspiracy and only Nancy and her suburban compatriots are privy to this super-secret secret.
Dr. Google and the circle jerk confirms their bias, and if little Brayden gets sick just rub some essential oils on him. And if he for real gets sick, they can afford real health care.
 
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What they wont say is this...
Risk of autism spikes for children of older men
https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/risk-of-autism-spikes-for-children-of-older-men/

In essence, men who do not take good care of themselves, men who eat bad and then age quickly. Once the message gets out that this is caused by men who abuse their bodies, medication will become available to reverse this trend. But until then, people like trump will deny, deny, deny, and then pass the blame to vaccinations.
 
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Any opinions on Andrew Yang and the freedom dividend?
People will hear "UBI" and immediately accuse him of socialism which is so far removed from his political stance.
I've seen him speak in person and have watched his interviews on different podcasts. He makes a ton of sense logically, unfortunately he has 0 chance of winning
 
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What they wont say is this...
Risk of autism spikes for children of older men
https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/risk-of-autism-spikes-for-children-of-older-men/

In essence, men who do not take good care of themselves, men who eat bad and then age quickly. Once the message gets out that this is caused by men who abuse their bodies, medication will become available to reverse this trend. But until then, people like trump will deny, deny, deny, and then pass the blame to vaccinations.
There was also this article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna724421
 

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As i watched the bernie townhall on cnn, i notcied i dont like his pandering and regurgitating key liberal points without much specific policy initiatives.

Im leaning heavily towards warren. I always enjoyed warrens highly intllectual explanations on current economics and capitalism.
 
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As i watched the bernie townhall on cnn, i notcied i dont like his pandering and regurgitating key liberal points without much specific policy initiatives.

Im leaning heavily towards warren. I always enjoyed warrens highly intllectual explanations on current economics and capitalism.
I hear you. Also critical to see the big picture: Bernie accomplishes two things the longer he stays in the mix and articulates New Deal-esque policy solutions (you're right about "liberal points" but of the New Deal sort, not the Clintonian New Democratic type):

First, he pushes Warren further left (see a fair analysis of Warren here, https://jacobinmag.com/2019/04/elizabeth-warren-transparency-markets-2020-campaign).

Second: he makes clear the moral bankruptcy of centrists who would rather support a fascist who will protect their property than to see someone levy what they deem an 'unfair' tax to address extreme economic inequality.
 

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I am happy at the current wave of love Warren is getting because she is getting the Hillary treatment where sexism is dragging her down, and she is a serious policy wonk which I like.

However, nearly all my beefs I have with Bernie, I have with her. She got a lot of sucka in her, and she can be tone deaf too.

Warren loves to use explicit nostalgia politics in front of white people. While Bernie like to talk about the present moral failings of the country is manner only white people can relate too, but Liz like to frame things as things being better back in the day

The whole ancestry thing was a master class in white privilege. I won't even get into how asinine that was because I would take paragraphs to breakdown. But wow.

Her transition from Republican to Progressive also gives me pause. So Liz, you were cool with Reagan and the GOP's quick descent into white supremacy, the dog whistles, and all the other buffoonery; but when you saw how things went down in bankruptcy court that did it for you. I can say all kinds of things about Bernie but dude was endorsing Jesse Jackson during the same time Warren was cool with the Willie Horton ad.

She knowingly acts like a sucka. Bernie's buffoonery is really a blind buffoonery. He has always been like how is. If he was criticizing Obama it is because he presented it as a ideological difference, not as Obama having a ulterior motive to hurt people. If he is tone deaf, I tend to believe he really thinks he is not being so, he is often wrong but still, I guess ignorant counts for a bit here. Warren on the other hand, knows what she is doing, she has to. When she would throw Obama under the bus it was way more in the open and she echoed right wing talking points about Obama. Like take the TPP. Bernie just said he was not for it, full stop. Warren was running around acting like Obama had some ulterior motive for negotiating a deal in private before bringing up for a vote. It was along the lines of the how the GOP framed the Iran Agreement. She uses attacks against other liberals she knows will gain coverage.

She sounds a bit wacky on trade too.

With that said Warren has made effort to become more progressive in areas she is lacking. So I will give her credit and the benefit of the doubt. She has tried to make her progressivism more focused on racial justice recently. I think she has a firmer grasp of all the issues affecting the middle class and poor.

Even though she gives me the feeling like she has place a lot of calls to the authorities over "suspicious characters" in her neighborhood. :lol:
 
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When it comes to inequality and poverty’s impact on the economy she’s is unmatched. One of my undergrad Econ professors co-wrote a book with her so we used some of her materials when we covered things. Especially in the class called “economics and poverty.” I’d be lying if this class didn’t move me much more left on the political spectrum where I was more of a right leaning person.

Opened my eyes how poverty and more so a lack of education in females is detrimental on society, especially in third world countries. Probably the class I’ve taken the most out of to apply to actual life no lie. Warren is just something else, she just needs to stay true to herself.
 
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I am happy at the current wave of love Warren is getting because she is getting the Hillary treatment where sexism is dragging her down, and she is a serious policy wonk which I like.

However, nearly all my beefs I have with Bernie, I have with her. She got a lot of sucka in her, and she can be tone deaf too.

Warren loves to use explicit nostalgia politics in front of white people. While Bernie like to talk about the present moral failings of the country is manner only white people can relate too, but Liz like to frame things as things being better back in the day

The whole ancestry thing was a master class in white privilege. I won't even get into how asinine that was because I would take paragraphs to breakdown. But wow.

Her transition from Republican to Progressive also gives me pause. So Liz, you were cool with Reagan and the GOP's quick descent into white supremacy, the dog whistles, and all the other buffoonery; but when you saw how things went down in bankruptcy court that did it for you. I can say all kinds of things about Bernie but dude was endorsing Jesse Jackson during the same time Warren was cool with the Willie Horton ad.

She knowingly acts like a sucka. Bernie's buffoonery is really a blind buffoonery. He has always been like how is. If he was criticizing Obama it is because he presented it as a ideological difference, not as Obama having a ulterior motive to hurt people. If he is tone deaf, I tend to believe he really thinks he is not being so, he is often wrong but still, I guess ignorant counts for a bit here. Warren on the other hand, knows what she is doing, she has to. When she would throw Obama under the bus it was way more in the open and she echoed right wing talking points about Obama. Like take the TPP. Bernie just said he was not for it, full stop. Warren was running around acting like Obama had some ulterior motive for negotiating a deal in private before bringing up for a vote. It was along the lines of the how the GOP framed the Iran Agreement. She uses attacks against other liberals she knows will gain coverage.

She sounds a bit wacky on trade too.

With that said Warren has made effort to become more progressive in areas she is lacking. So I will give her credit and the benefit of the doubt. She has tried to make her progressivism more focused on racial justice recently.

Even though she gives me the feeling like she has place a lot of calls to the authorities over "suspicious characters" in her neighborhood.
Feel you. I think one of the crucial problems with Warren, Sanders, and, frankly any major presidential candidate throughout American history is that of mythology. I was reading FDR's speech before the Commonwealth Club in September 1932. What was most striking was not his railing against financiers or corporate power, but his origins story. He turned indigenous dispossession into "free land." He said nothing about slavery; clearly a counterpoint to his claims of opportunity for all.

You're right to criticize Warren for the kind of myopia and whitewashing of Reagan. You're right, too, to criticize Sanders and others who invoke the same New Deal which helped produce the racial welfare state. But both critiques, I think, have to be situated within the requirements of American politics.

Just as the great offense is for white people to be called racists even though their behaviors confirm their racism, the great offense to American mythology is to insist that slavery, racial inequality, and the carceral approach to the black political power were not incidental to, but constitutive of American economic growth, state formation, and conditional freedoms enjoyed by even white middle-class Americans.
 
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Ehhhh, let's leave the kid out of it.

His dad is a low life but he didn't pick his parents.
I obviously hope nothing is wrong or happened/happens to the kid since he seems like the only really innocent one

But his father is older plus his father’s diet
 
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