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He also chose to take the video down?

Do you think that was accidental or do you think it was an acknowledgement and clarification of his position?

If he meant to convey that message then why would he remove it?

Why not just own it?
The initial signaling already happened. The Fake News media is the reason that he took it down. How many of these types of incidences happen in your eyes before they are no longer accidental? This isn’t the first or last time that something like this has happened, in varying forms.

And he’s a weak leader, that’s why. He didn’t own “when the looting start the shooting starts either”, initially, then he came back and made more racist statements. It’s just what he does.
 
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And I want all of those confederate monuments removed. And the flags banned.

Another issue that I completely disagree with him on.

The idea that I have some unwavering support after I've mentioned things Biden can do to get the vote is silly.
Well so the point I'm getting at is that it's not like people are picking and choosing what to believe. It's that they are looking at his history and observing his behavior. For example, he claims that no one told him Russia was offering Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops, but history tells us that he is lying about this.

He might "condemn" white supremacy, which is something that is really easy to do, but he hasn't followed with actions that truly show he's against white supremacy. When white supremacists overwhelmingly support him that should signal that there is an issue.

I would say that in my opinion it does look like you have unwavering support for Trump. I think your main argument is that Trump is able to pass legislation that benefits the black community. Personally I can't help but think his environmental rollbacks, empowering racist groups, giving tax cuts to the wealthy, tough on crime position, and horrible response to COVID-19 are going to have far more of a negative impact. However, I would love to see any analyses you have.
 
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And I want all of those confederate monuments removed. And the flags banned.

Another issue that I completely disagree with him on.

The idea that I have some unwavering support after I've mentioned things Biden can do to get the vote is silly.
How his this your stance when you're corroborating w/ the ppl how are for keeping these flags & monuments in place.
This is an inaccurate portrayal. Kevin cared about spilling the beans. Donald didn't.
About as comfortable as I'd feel going to Walmart.
Do u feel comfortable going to Walmart?
 

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If Trump said white power to Charlamagne on the breakfast club, you think I'd be supporting this administration?

Cut it out.
In that case I assume you would say there's white supremacists on both sides, point out Trump passed the First Step Act and go on about how you'll vote for Trump because of criminal justice reform, because Republicans would block any Democrat attempt further improve criminal justice reforms.
 
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How his this your stance when you're corroborating w/ the ppl how are for keeping these flags & monuments in place.

This is an inaccurate portrayal. Kevin cared about spilling the beans. Donald didn't.

Do u feel comfortable going to Walmart?
To the first question, I don't agree with all of the positions of any candidate. The same way that people can be 100% against the crime bill and its impact but still support Biden. My opinions are my own. I don't adopt Trump's, or anyone else's, opinion on every issue. And on those issues I am 100% against him.

On the second question: I don't feel particularly uncomfortable at Walmart, but I rarely go. I guess if comfort is a word you are using as the base level, then yes I am comfortable there. If comfort is moreso better than the base level (like some sort of luxury level), then I am not comfortable there.

That said, I certainly would not pay to attend at trump rally.
 
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In that case I assume you would say there's white supremacists on both sides, point out Trump passed the First Step Act and go on about how you'll vote for Trump because of criminal justice reform, because Republicans would block any Democrat attempt further improve criminal justice reforms.
I would not.

That is a silly assumption, but you are entitled to it.
 
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The initial signaling already happened. The Fake News media is the reason that he took it down. How many of these types of incidences happen in your eyes before they are no longer accidental? This isn’t the first or last time that something like this has happened, in varying forms.

And he’s a weak leader, that’s why. He didn’t own “when the looting start the shooting starts either”, initially, then he came back and made more racist statements. It’s just what he does.
I won't defend the indefensible.

But it is odd that you ignore the signaling of removing the tweet. It seems a clear signal that he does not support what the man said on the video.

I'm not sure how a removal of the video can be interpreted differently.
 
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1. To the first question, I don't agree with all of the positions of any candidate. The same way that people can be 100% against the crime bill and its impact but still support Biden. My opinions are my own. I don't adopt Trump's, or anyone else's, opinion on every issue. And on those issues I am 100% against him.

2. On the second question: I don't feel particularly uncomfortable at Walmart, but I rarely go. I guess if comfort is a word you are using as the base level, then yes I am comfortable there. If comfort is moreso better than the base level (like some sort of luxury level), then I am not comfortable there.

2. That said, I certainly would not pay to attend at trump rally.
1. This is moreso of valid response from someone that doesn't vote. However, when you vote you are 100% in support of the persons ideologies. Whether you deny it or not, your action spoke for/contradicted your verbal stance.

2. Gotcha,
 

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I won't defend the indefensible.

But it is odd that you ignore the signaling of removing the tweet. It seems a clear signal that he does not support what the man said on the video.

I'm not sure how a removal of the video can be interpreted differently.
Why are you being dense and intentionally obtuse?

Are you a contortionist in your spare time?
 
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1. This is moreso of valid response from someone that doesn't vote. However, when you vote you are 100% in support of the persons ideologies. Whether you deny it or not, your action spoke for/contradicted your verbal stance.

2. Gotcha,
I don't agree with your first point. And I think many in here have said they don't 100% agree with Biden but are still voting for him.

Same for people who voted for Hillary in 2016.

But I understand your view.
 

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If you don't want to take him at his word, that's fine. I completely understand why you wouldn't.

But the issue is that you want to pick and choose which words you take him at.

You take the "good people" rhetoric, for instance, and you believe that he was talking about a certain thing.

But if he says he is against white supremacy you disbelieve him.

I guess the question is do you believe what he says or don't you?
This is a nonsensical and disingenuous argument designed only to attempt to stifle discussion of Trump's statements.
Nobody in the right mind would suggest an argument as stupid as "do you believe what he says or don't you?"
The only conclusion is that the person making that argument is a complete idiot, which I don't believe to be the case here, or the argument is meant to obstruct discussing and scrutinizing Trump's statements.

In order to asses statements made by any given person, obviously there are a whole lot of factors to take into account; previous statements and actions (both older and most recent), pattern of behavior, personality traits, ...
 
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I won't defend the indefensible.

But it is odd that you ignore the signaling of removing the tweet. It seems a clear signal that he does not support what the man said on the video.

I'm not sure how a removal of the video can be interpreted differently.
It’s odd that you ignore that this is not the first time that something like this has happened. But I’m sure you’ll chalk it up to inexperience? What’s the threshold for something happening time and time again before it’s stop being accidental or inexperience?
 
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In order to asses statements made by any given person, obviously there are a whole lot of factors to take into account; previous statements and actions (both older and most recent), pattern of behavior, personality traits, ...
I agree, this makes my point.

Denouncing white supremacy along with the bills I mention show me something different than it shows others.

Again, the action of removing the tweet signals something to me that others ignore.

I'm not sure if you followed the entire discussion, but this has been my point.
 
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